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Ni Karma System

 
Project Updated:
Files Updated: Tue, Apr 7 2009
Supports Game Version: 3.0.9
Category: Boss Encounters
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Project Manager: Vuelhering
Additional Authors: No additional authors
Current Version: ver 3.0 rel 04
License: NKS Mostly-open license
Development Site: CurseForge
Avg Daily DL (last 30 days): 8
Downloads Total: 13,179
Favorites: 32
Comments: 105
  • About Ni Karma System
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Ni Karma System



The Ni Karma System (NKS) is a system of loot distribution for tracking raids. It solves many of the issues with DKP, Zero-sum DKP, and other roll-bonus systems which do not work well with WoW, such as inflation, differences between class/non-class items, rewards for learning dungeons, DKP deficit which crushes new raiders, etc.

Specifically:
* Loot received is generally proportional to time put in, but is fair to new raiders.
* Little to no inflation. It tends towards zero-sum.
* Bonuses for learning an encounter don't break the zero-sum property.
* Difficult to break/collude, without it being obvious.
* Items do not get disenchanted from point competition between players.
* Separate databases for different dungeons, if desired
* System "feels" fair to the attendees. (see poll results below)

NKS is a roll bonus system, where you gather points for raid attendance which can be added to a /roll 100. It specifically deals with WoW's class items vs non-class items issues, inflation, and different dungeon databases. This system was designed specifically to work with WoW, without too much bookkeeping.

The system can be tracked using pen and paper, but Mavios of Icecrown wrote a plugin which makes it even easier. Included is a php website script to display results, too!

The full description of the system is included, plus an html tutorial, plus an overview of other loot systems which shows why this one was created. Once you understand the system, it's pretty straightforward.

If you have implementation issues or questions, I will try to answer them. But please read the description in the download, carefully, before asking.

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I polled the raiders in my guild and got these results. The vast majority think it works well, some have minor issues with it, and a couple don't like it at all. That is about the best you can hope for in a loot distribution system, and I've made some tweaks to try to improve issues with fairness.

Q: How do you like the Karma system?
[ 43 ] [56.58%] It works very well, esp when the loot list is updated, and with the karma cutoff of 70/100.
[ 15 ] [19.74%] It works very well, but I don't understand it. I just declare and occasionally get epix.
[ 13 ] [17.11%] It works okay, but I don't like some parts such as the karma cutoff, loot list, fairness, etc.
[ 2 ] [2.63%] I think it's unfair/biased/broken/etc.
[ 3 ] [3.95%] I don't raid, but I really like to vote.
Total Votes: 76


One of the known issues is the database is stored locally on the raid leader's computer (and uploaded to the webserver). When using multiple raid leaders, this becomes an issue of coordination. Although I haven't yet tested it, you might find this merger app useful.

  • Downloads (4)
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File Name Release Type Game Version Downloads Date
Addon Curse.com Beta 2.3.3 0 9/29/2008
  File Name Release Type Game Version Downloads Date  
  Ni Karma System ver 3.0 rel 04 Beta 3.0.9 1,549 4/7/2009
  Ni Karma System ver 3.0 rel 02 Release 3.0.9 1,834 3/14/2009
  Ni Karma System ver 3.0 rel 01 Release 3.0.2 1,023 10/26/2008
  Ni Karma System Description only Release 1.12.0 235 11/2/2006
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  • Hey Vuelhering, is it possible to use the 3.0 rel 04 version without installing the Ni Loader? I don't think I need that added functionality anyhow, but I do want to use the latest version of the mod. I THINK the Ni Loader is what is keeping me from being able to use this version.

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  • Vladimier said

    Can a guild member query the raid leader's database to see how many points you or someone one else has?

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  • irontires said

    Cool. Thanks for the reply Vuelhering!

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  • irontires said

    Is there any chance in the future of the Ni Karma System, that a way to synchronize our karma with raid leaders could be viably put into the LUA? Pretty much like the EPGP System.

    Right now were setting up a FTP server for us to localize our data storage file. But we have to depend on everyone to upload their file, and not overwrite someone else's that was posted last, witch could be very hectic and confuse alot of raiders.

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  • Vuelhering said

    I'm looking into it. People have sent me patches for several things, so I'm looking at them, and working on upgrades now.

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  • Is there a directory listing anywhere of guilds that use this system? Before I started my own guild and started using it, I used to specifically seek out guilds that use this system because I enjoy it so much. I am wondering though, now that I am a GM of my own, if there is a place where GM's that use it can share their experiences and with technical problems. We are using 3.0 rel 2 still because I can't get the 3.0 rel 4 to work at all. I've got the php script working great at my website too. Just wondering....

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  • Vuelhering said

    btw, can you tell me what errors you're getting when you try the r04 version?

    (backup your database first :-)

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  • Yeah, pretty much with the 3.0 rel 4, I install both of the little mods, I type /km anything and it acts like it doesn't know what I am talking about. I even tried going into a raid group, going into an instance, and it still acts like it doesn't know what I am talking about. I will be checking out your website forums, thanks for that.

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  • I've attempted it more than onceandsame thing always. Never have a problem with any other add-on installations either, so it isn't an end-user installation problem I don't think unless there is something very very special with this one that I don't know about.

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  • Vuelhering said

    The release 4 uses a loader, so that it won't take up memory when you're not in a raid. It should be set to autoload when you are in a raid.

    Try /ni help
    If that doesn't work, try
    /ni load karma

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  • Does this Ni Loader save the database when it turns it off? I've had it twice on 3.0.2, where my computer bluescreen crashed and I lost the database, and had to re-add and re-subtract all the karma for the night. I was kinda hoping for a /km save option, but if the loader has one that might be nice. I will reinstall 3.0.9 beta and try playing with the loader. Thanks for answering my queries, really!

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  • Vuelhering said

    The only way to save the database is to relog, or /console reloadui. I've requested a way to queue up a save, but it's fallen on deaf ears.

    If you bluescreen, you will lose the latest part of the database. I've only had to rebuild the database 3 times in many years. However, I'm working on something to fix this so that multiple people can act as backups :-)

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  • are you sure /console reloadui will save the database? Cause if so I'll stop re-logging every 2 hours of the raid. That will work just as well as a /save command would for my purposes.

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  • Yes, that's been working great for me, thanks for that tip!

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  • err, I had been using the 3.0 rel 2, I will try the 3.0 rel 4 again now and see how those commands work.

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  • Vuelhering said

    My website has a public area to post issues and such that you might have:
    http://www.knights-who-say-ni.com/forums/index.php?showforum=2

    Because guests can post anonymously, everything is filtered by a moderator before it becomes visible. Search for "karma" in that forum (might require registration) and there will be a few threads I'm sure.

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  • You guys can see a working php file at "http:/puresanity.net". I've only modified it cosmetically.

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  • Rickey5831 said

    Is there a addon that I cant find that will let me keep track of my karma? That way we dont have to keep asking our guild leader where we sit with it.

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  • Vuelhering said

    The addon comes with a php script that your GL can upload to your website, and then he can upload the karma database after the raids. That will allow you to use the website to see the database, items, etc as of the last time he uploaded it.

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  • kaikai808 said

    Is there anyway of deleting players who are no longer in the guild?

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