imba! grats to nihilium

wow, nice. grats.

I wonder when people are just going to get tired of being excited of the same one guild being the world first, and then just start going, "Huh?.. They did it? World first... k... so?"

Honestly, Nihilum really doesn't do anything for the WoW community itself. It's obvious they do it just for the bragging rights, they aren't exactly the "Average Raiding Guild" picture. They don't really reach out and say "This is how we did it" or such tips for others. There's something humbling about a uber raiding guild taking their time away from raiding, to help the little folks with tips and tricks.

Go ahead, you can rate me down now.

Gratz to Nihilum.

And Nibbler!? Nibbler as in Nibbler of GrimBatolEU or is it just a scary coincidence?

go outside?

As much as I can agree with you, that Nihilum doesn't help the community, they are really just THAT good. To them its a sport. I cant help that you may feel a bit envious of them, but do you think Roger Federer og any other top athlete gives out tips to their competitors? You may see this a community, but to them its a competition. And giving away "This is how we did it" tips, would enable their closest rivals to gain a leap ahead, and what interest does that hold to them, if the goal is to be #1?

So just because you find an encounter hard, still using DBM/Tactics others wrote, remember, these guys don't have these tools, so please give them a little more credit than: "Huh?.. They did it? World first... k... so?"

I'm not gonna rate you down, you are entitled to your opinion, but demanding tips and tricks seems like an even more selfish thing, than not giving those out, 'cos' who is doing the dirty work?

First of all, don't give a WoW/Sports analogy, because it just further proves my point, if they are really worried about "rivals jumping ahead of them".. IT'S A GAME. No one is professionally payed to PvE, so what else would the motivation be?

Secondly, again, proving my point, this is a COMMUNITY. Even this page is part of the community of WoW. This is not a competition.. and if it is, further reason why no one should give them any attention if they are the 1st person the 91st time doing something first in the world.

I didn't say "I demand they share their ancient Chinese secret!", I just suggested, after being fed attention because they axed "so-and-so" first in the world, what have they done to return the favor. Videos? Tips? A whole website? No. By far, Curse has done more for the WoW Community than Nihilum ever has, and at this point, will EVER do.

And no, i shant give them more credit than /golfclap. Ever get annoyed at a friend that constantly invites you to watch him do something you know you can't do as good as he can, and gives you the "Oh.. yeah that's cool" holier-than-thou vibe when you try your hand at it?.. Sure, it seems cool the first couple of times, but then you just don't want to hang around him because he's purposely making you feel inferior.

My reference to sports isn't taken out of nowhere. Go look at their website, they made the WoW/Sports link, not I (Nihilum, Mousesports MMO). As you yourself state, they are given attention. And apparently the people giving them this attention find them worthy of it.

I will not argue on the fact that Curse is a loving and giving part of the community (doh, this site i.e.), but that puts you in no position to diminish their accomplishments. And to the whole demeaning friends. Sorry, don't have friends like that. If you do not wish to "praise" Nihilum, that's fine, they got enough fans, but pls don't pass judgement on what they do with their time.

I find it hard to understand that you cant comprehend this situation as a competition. Just look at Bosskillers.com.

And once more. Before saying that they don't get payed. They are in fact sponsored. Im not saying they a making a living of it in any way. but due to their achievements, they have acquired such a sponsorship. Not by being a friendly, helpful, community minded guild, but for doing what they do best. Killing bosses, and being the best at it.

Yeee they killed Archimonde... aand whats now? Gratz to em but there is nothing big :) Nihilum can kill every boss which Blizzard made fast because 30 freaks playin game 18 hours per day with stable raid so its seriously nothing special, I will rather see that any other guild made first world kill like Last Resort or Decimation or Forte. Cos Nihilum cant make any video (maybe they dunno how to work with fraps) from "teh imba" first world kills. And seriously look at Last Resort vids = imba quality which can help other guilds help with killing boss.

They do make videos, they just take a while to get them edited and released

/golfclap

Oh yes, I'm so jealous I can't raid 12 hours a day or whatever. I agree with those commenting before. Enough with these first-kill-news.

Who cares if they do or don't help he community. Its their guild, their choice to play the game as they want, and their waste of time. So people, get over yourself; who are you to criticizer/demand/judge/have any say at all?

(did you spot the hypocrisy?, good job)

Why should they tell u how to it. I have more fun in finding out how to kill a boss with my guild, then reading how to kill a boss cos in my opinion if u need someone to show how to do it u should not be doing it.

lol because we get like 5 world firsts in 7 days everyone goes OMG I want to be a world first too !!

These people have a certain dedication to the cause and it's their damn right to have some media attention referring to it !

Kungen crits blizz again :)

@Biospowa Do you really think that someone who is close to a world first kill even would consider recording it? Recording takes CPU power, and if I were GM I'd NEVER allow any1 to gimp their performance until the boss was dead. And "It's nothing big :)"?? They were the first of nice (9) MILLION people to achieve something, but perhaps that's nothing big. I bet you don't think that the first moonlanding were anything to brag about either....

Just put yourself in their position. If you spent hours and hours a day trying to work this out, and you then make it, without the help of anyone but the people in the raid, would you not have a desire to tell everyone about it? I certainly would. I agree, in the long run it get's sort of "uh...ok". If there were more guilds like Nihilum I'd agree that world first is kinda cool.

First off congrats to Nihilum.

Now as to the rest, meh. Sure I do have to admit it is getting to the "Oh they got another world first, cool, I guess" point, this really is cause of the news aspect of it to me. Its kinda like getting bombarded with news of such and such celebrity all the time. But don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking what they are doing by any way shape or form. Its just the repetitive way the news gets out.

The strategy comments, come on people. Stop whining. If they give out the Strategy, cool. If they don't, cool by me as well. It is kinda their decision.

So in conclusion, just stop the pointless inane arguing. All it does is create drama, and drama is not cool in my book. If your the looking at it jealous types, catch up. Me, I'll keep playing the game and probably not have a care in the world.

Also, Curse rocks :) (See I'm not biased at all ;P)

Dont hate, congratulate. It's great that they have members that are so dedicated and active ofc.

Alright to start off, i would congratulate nihilum on this kill but i already have on their website. www.nihilum.eu . Thats for the people that were saying the things about a website for them. On top of that they have realeased many vidoes about their world-first's or pretty much any of the high end bosses kills. Most of the videos for the boss kills can be found on their website. They have yet to release a Archimonde kill vid or Illidan, but then again,

1. It takes time to physically record the vid with fraps. Fraps is known to have a ton of issues and when they happen they REALLY happen.

2.Yes these boss fights are intensive and require complete focus to have them beat. Losing one member of the raid is a crippling effect on some fights. So by having someone run fraps and try to capture the fight/kill from the best shot possible is rather challenging.

3. Most videos from nihilum have some type of music playing. That takes time to edit into the vid and also editing the vid takes time as well. These guys do an awesome job at what they do and it only fits that the videos dont get instantly released.

Nihilum spends a great deal of time practicing these encounters and coming up with strategies to beat the encounter. They deserve credit for their time spent on getting these beaten. So maybe they've had a bunch of world firsts, that make it seem like they spend almost all day and night on the game, buy hey thats what serious raiding guilds are all about. Every moment that you can be on the game is used to farm mats and to get everything ready for the raid , let alone actually doing the raid.

As for Nihilum actually putting out strategies on how to kill these bosses? I would think that they are doing awesome at not spilling secrets and strats. If I were them I wouldnt put out a strat, only for one reason though. They didnt have anything to go by, or had any idea on what to expect when they first started practicing on them. They learned, made mistakes of course, probablly wiped a bunch of times but they found a way on how to beat these guys.

Life is a learning situation. Does anyone give you a written strategy everday on how you are going to accomplish something? The answer is no, and thats only because its better to learn something yourself, because in the end you will feel a bigger sense of gratification and statisifaction from actually doing something without help.

For the people out there that are jealous of their accomplishments, then do something about it and try to progress as they have. Easier said then done but its better then sitting around and waiting to put down others accomplishments. my two cents on the situation.

Another point why those first kills are no longer interesting is because all previous world-first gave them gear that simplified next world-firsts. It is really absolutely no surprising that completely geared out guild managed to beat hard encounter first - everyone else have much lesser chances, because they don't have equal encounter from start already. They don't restart from zero from everyone, they're already have a head start. As exgaratted example, suppose Hogger II is added on next patch, brand new 10th elite. Lots of new characters would wipe, but any 30th would kill him right away. Would that make its world first any interesting?